Planting grapes / was Where are you

richard e white wrote "Well I am new here and only dropped by for tips on planting red seed less grapes as I suddenly have two in the little pots that they will grow through. but I live in the Santee, Cal, USA area. how do I go about planting them? how much dirt do they need? are they ground plants only or can they be in above ground gardens? as you might have guessed I know nothing about plaint them or growing them."

Richard - If your plants are indeed grape vines they need to be planted outside in the ground. Grape vines develop very deep roots. Your
California climate is perfect for grapes. Ideally they would be planted in an area that gets full sun. Be prepared to water newly planted grape vines.
Go to www.Rakgrape.com for more complete grape planting instructions.

If you live in an apartment or some other location where you don't have a yard for your grapes check out this site ~ http://www.spraag.com/africusrex/. This is a very interesting way to grow grape vines in pots.

Bill Frazier
Olathe, Kansas USA

It is a nice place but needs a bit of work.
and the office you mentioned said I needed to call the master garden people.
not sure who they are but they sound right. they give class on my area.

richard white wrote;

"I live in a house and there is no shade in most of the back yard.
ect for on part right near the house and one part at the far back edge to the south where a tree shades it after about 2 pm."

Plant the vines where there will be full sun for as many hours of the day as possible.

"so I want to plant them in the full area with a drip system?"

You said you have two vines. I would not worry about a drip system for two vines.

"I can waight on most info as they are small. but I am after how far apart?"

I don't know what type grapes you have. But, you can't go wrong planting them eight feet apart. Six feet is probably OK. To get a proper answer contact your local county agricultural office, tell them what type grapes you have and they will know or will be able to find out the proper spacing.

"does the ground need to be cleard around them?"

Grape vines like to have clear soil around them. Clear a three to four foot diameter circle around each vine. Keep the soil weed free in this area.

"how much water per day do I set the timer for on the drip system?"

Again, I would not install a drip system for two vines. Stick you finger in the ground. If the soil is moist no water is needed. If the soil is dry it's time to water.You can water them too much. On new vines in my vineyard
I check the soil condition and water them every week if there has been no rain. Once the vines are at least one year old they can do with less watering because their roots are deeper.

"are grapes one of thoes plants that need to have water sprayed on there leaves?"

I avoid wetting the grape leaves unless I'm spraying fungicide/pesticide.
Best to keep the leaves and grapes dry to avoid disease.

Richard - I understand you are blind. If this is the reason you want a drip irrigation system I understand. But, if you are able to go to your vines and check the soil moisture level a simple watering can is sufficient for two vines. When the soil gets dry give each vine about a gallon of water...then check again in a few days. You will need a trellis of some sort but this depends on the type grape you have. The county agricultural agent should have this information.

Good luck with your vines.

Bill Frazier
Olathe, Kansas USA

I live in a house and there is no shade in most of the back yard.
ect for on part right near the house and one part at the far back edge to the south where a tree shades it after about 2 pm.
so I want to plant them in the full area with a drip system?
I can't use sights at the moment as that part of my screen reader is messing up and I'm not sure that support will get back to me before I need to put them in the ground.
I can waight on most info as they are small. but I am after how far apart?
does the ground need to be cleard around them?
and how much water per day do I set the timer for on the drip system?
or are grapes one of thoes plants that need to have water sprayed on there leaves?
Sorry to be a pest.

Richard - If you already have an irrigation system use it for sure. You are near San Diego and I'm near Kansas City. Our climates are very different so
I can't comment on how much water you should drip each day. Your county extension office should be able to help and there surely are vineyards in your area that you may be able to talk to.

Flame is a nice table grape. Sounds like you have a nice place.

Bill Frazier
Olathe, Kansas USA

I was planning on having other plants in the area like blackberrys, cecil bruner roses, and any other plants that might help the others or keep pests away.

After clearing ground could I use mulch?
the ground is vary dry here.
I am told that the zone is 21 to 23

I am not sure that the ground could be called most even after a rain fall. and the air is at 48 for humidaty. and rain fall is not all that much at all.

The kind is flame and I am not to good at telling how dry the ground is. all so
I am only thinking of adding to the drip system that I all ready have. and the cost of a new line to run is not that much that is why I asked about setting the drip system.
I am all so trying to find out if the plants I want to put in can be near eachother.
I am planning at the moment to put the roses a long the back fence and the grapes and other vines in the certer area of the yard.
by the way do opposoms do any damage to grapes?

Thanks for all your help